Exploring The Weird World Of Subatomic Particles (And Much More) With Dr. Joe Dispenza- An Interview

January 13, 2011 by Chris Grosso

I first became familiar with Dr Joe Dispenza in 2006 when a professor of mine showed our class the film What the BLEEP Do We Know!? I was absolutely captivated by Dr Joe’s user friendly explanation of how neurons that fire together, wire together, a saying that has become used time and again since the films release. I also remember being completely surprised when our professor turned the lights on at the films conclusion as there was only about five of the original twenty students still there. I wasn’t only surprised because I couldn’t believe someone wouldn’t be fascinated by the material presented in the film, but also because I don’t remember seeing one of them leave. I was literally that captivated!

Here’s more on Dr Joe from his website www.drjoedispenza.com before moving on to the interview:

  Joe Dispenza, D.C., studied biochemistry at Rutgers University in New Brunswick, N.J. He has a Bachelor of Science degree with an emphasis in Neuroscience from Evergreen State College in Olympia, WA. Dr. Dispenza also received his Doctor of Chiropractic Degree at Life University in Atlanta, Georgia, graduating magna cum laude.

Dr. Dispenza’s postgraduate training and continuing education has been in neurology; neuroscience; brain function and chemistry; cellular biology; memory formation; and aging and longevity. He is an invited member of Who’s Who in America, an honorary member of the National Board of Chiropractic Examiners, the recipient of a Clinical Proficiency Citation for clinical excellence in doctor-patient relationships from Life University, and a member of Pi Tau Delta – the International Chiropractic Honor Society.

Over the last 10 years, Dr. Dispenza has lectured in over 17 different countries on six continents educating people about the role and function of the human brain. He has taught thousands of people how to re-program their thinking through scientifically proven neuro-physiologic principles. As a result, this information has taught many individuals to reach their specific goals and visions by eliminating self-destructive habits. His approach, taught in a very simple method, creates a bridge between true human potential and the latest scientific theories of neuroplasticity. He explains how thinking in new ways, as well as changing beliefs, can literally rewire one’s brain. The premise of his work is founded in his total conviction that every person on this planet has within them, the latent potential of greatness and true unlimited abilities.

The Following Interview was conducted on 1/6/11.

The Dr Joe Dispenza Interview

TIS: So for those not familiar with your work, I wanted to start by asking if you could summarize your teaching on how thinking in new ways, as well  as changing beliefs, can literally rewire one’s brain.

DJD: Sure, thoughts are the language of the brain, and feelings are the language of the body. There is a biological or neurological component to thoughts, and when we think a thought, we fire a host of different circuits in our brain that produces a sequence, or combination, of neurons firing, which produces a level of mind. In other words, if you keep thinking the same thoughts, performing the same actions, or romancing the same emotions, you’re firing your brain in the same patterns and sequences. The principal of neuroscience says, neurons that fire together, wire together. What that means is that if you keep firing the same circuits, you’re going to hardwire them into a very finite pattern, or a very specific signature, that will become your personality, or your identity. Now your personality is made up of how you think, act, and feel, and it creates your personal reality, so if you keep thinking, acting and feeling the same way, your personality is the same, and your personal reality will be the same. If you want to change your personal reality, or your life, you’re going to have to change some way that you process your attitudes or thoughts, the way you behave, or some emotion that you’ve memorized which has become a part of your identity. The biological and neurological model tells us that when we begin to think in new ways, and to change our habits, and we begin to let go of the emotions we’ve become addicted to, there is a reorganization of the circuitry in our brains. There is a reorganization in the chemistry that we’re creating from our experiences, emotions, and thoughts, which then signals genes in new ways that allows the body to begin to change its biological state.     

TIS: OK, and I think it’s important to note that in your book Evolve Your Brain: The Science of Changing Your Mind, you talk about how individuals will most likely experience some discomfort in the first couple of weeks of making these changes, whether it’s changing eating habits, or quitting smoking etc. Do you have any suggestions that may help them get through this initial period?

DJD: Sure. It’s actually pretty simple to understand, and it’s really the basis of my second book called Breaking  the Habit of Being Yourself: How to Lose Your Mind and Create a New One. It focuses on what the real purpose of meditation is, which is to eliminate all of the environmental queues of the external world. When we begin to meditate, it’s purpose is to remind ourselves of who we no longer want to be, and become conscious of those unconscious programs, behaviors, habits, and thoughts that form attitudes and beliefs, and to become familiar with the old self, so that no thought or action goes by unconsciously. Then, in the process of meditation, we can begin to remind ourselves of who we want to be and how we want to think, act, and feel. Through the process of meditation, you can become familiar with your old self, by making conscious all of those unconscious states, and finally, by reconstructing a new ideal of yourself, or reinventing a new personality. So, if you practice it enough times, you will become familiar with a new sense of self, because nerve cells that fire together, wire together, right?

TIS: Right.

DJD: So the process of meditation is the neurofying model of change, which means to unlearn and relearn, to break the habit of the old self, and reinvent the new self, to prune synaptic connections and sprout new connections. To un-memorize emotions that we’ve memorized and become addicted to, and then recondition the body to a new mind, or a new emotion. It’s also about changing your energy, to give something up, and then use that energy to reconstruct a new destiny, pulling the mind out of the past and now directing it towards the future. So meditation is the process where we can enter into the subconscious mind, where all of those automatic programs exist, and now begin to rewrite the programs and that’s really what the workshop at Kripalu is about.

TIS: Sure, and speaking of Kripalu, I know you have two upcoming workshops there, the first of which is Level I from Jan 21-23 and the second, which is a Level II, from July 8-10. Can you tell me about these workshops and the difference in the levels?

DJD: Well a large number of people who saw What the BLEEP!?, and read Evolve Your Brain, all said the same thing, which was, well this is really good information, but what do I do with it now, how do I do it? So the Level I workshops came out of a strong request to really apply that information. I think more than anything else this is a time in history where philosophy and information is so readily available that we’re saturated with it, and the real key is to take that information and apply it, personalize it, do something with it. That’s what we tried to do with What the BLEEP!?, to inspire people to actually go out and create a destiny.

The Level I workshop gives people a lot of the philosophy, science, and information from quantum physics all the way down to genetics, and the model of how they’re all co-related in some way. Participants are then given the tools to begin practicing the meditations and to understand what exactly it is they’re doing when they begin to create, because you can’t create a new destiny as the old self. You have to become somebody else. So the level I workshops are an introduction and provide a good amount of information and practical application and it’s also a chance for people to retreat from their familiar lives, environments, and stimulations, and begin to learn new information, wire it into their brains, and then go about the business of applying it.

After I did a fair number of the Level I classes, people started asking for a Level II. So Level II is very different as it’s a deepening of the understanding of Level I, which is like learning how to ski. You get some instructions and you go down the slope a few times. Level II is for people who have been skiing for a few months and now they’re questioning. Their skill level is a little different than a Level I as they’ve been applying it for a while. We do six or seven meditations at Level II. We address beliefs and perceptions. We’re teaching the body how to condition itself to a new mind and new emotions, and we’re sharpening the skills to a much more refined level. My interests lately have really been in the Level II & III’s because it’s people who are actually doing the work and getting results in their lives, and miracles are starting to happen for them. I think the hardest part of this is making the time to do it. 

TIS: Sounds like there’s amazing work happening there. So can you talk about the human evolution from thinking to doing to being?

DJD: Yes, we have three brains that allow us to go from thinking to doing to being. The first brain is the neo-cortex, which is the thinking brain. Every time you learn something new in your external world, you make a new synaptic connection in your brain, that’s what learning is. So let’s say you read a book on how to ride a bicycle, build a dog house, cook mandarin food, knit, dance the salsa, or you read a book on compassion and forgiveness, all of that information you wire into your thinking brain, all of its philosophy, theory, knowledge, facts, and semantics – but it’s void of experience. Now you have to take that information and do something with it. If you take that and apply it, personalize it, and demonstrate it, it means that you’re going to have to take what you intellectually learned and modify your behavior in some way. You change your actions, you do something differently, and when you do, you’re going to have a new experience, and when you have a new experience, you activate the second brain, which is called the limbic, chemical, emotional or midbrain.

The moment you have a new experience in your environment, everything you intellectually and neurologically learn becomes reinforced. When you’re in the midst of your experience, everything you’re seeing, smelling, feeling, hearing, and tasting, all of your five senses are consumed in your environment, and those receptors are sending all of this information back to your brain through five different pathways which causes jungles of neurons to organize themselves to reflect the event. The moments those neurons dock into place, the midbrain release chemicals and those peptides then signal the body, so now, the end product of an experience is called an emotion. The moment the chemicals are in released from the brain, we could say that knowledge, or information, is for the mind, and experience is for the body. The moment you begin to feel that emotion from the experience, you’re teaching your body what your mind has intellectually understood. You are now embodying knowledge, because now the signature emotionally is instructing the body to understand what the mind has already understood, and now we have two brains working together.

Whether you’re reading a book on compassion or on how to cook mandarin cuisine, the moment you go about doing something with that information, if you get your behavior to match your intentions, and you get your actions equal to what you learned, or thought, you’re going to actually experience something differently. You’re going to enjoy a great meal and your senses are going to consume it, or you’re going restrain certain behaviors that are connected to the old self. You’re going to apply what you learned and feel compassion, and the moment you have that experience, and you feel compassion, you’re body is learning from what you’ve done in the environment to teach you what your mind has understood. It’s not enough to do it once, however, you’ve got to be able to repeat the experience. So this is where you go from the philosopher, to the initiate, to the master. When you can repeat an experience over, and over again, you can neuro-chemically condition your body to memorize whatever you’re doing, as well as the conscious mind, and the moment your body knows that, as well as your conscious mind, you activate the third brain called the cerebellum, which is the seat of the subconscious.

Ninety five percent of who we are, by the time we’re thirty five, sits in that subconscious program system, instead of memorized behaviors or memorized thoughts, attitudes, or beliefs that could become a new part of our identity. If we’re memorizing an internal order that’s greater than the external environment, we could say that no person, thing, or experience could remove us from it. When we get to the point where we’ve memorized compassion, joy, or forgiveness etc, and the body knows, as well as the mind, it now becomes a new program, So when we get the body to learn as well as the mind, now we’re in a state of being. Now we have mind and body working together, or mind and body as one, and that’s when our thoughts and feelings are aligned, and when our state of being is influenced in every single aspect of our lives. The quantum field actually responds to who we’re being, not just what we’re thinking or just what we’re feeling, but the combination of the two, which is called the state of being.

TIS: OK, so to elaborate a bit more on the quantum area of the equation can you tell me where science meets spirituality?

DJD: Well I think science is the contemporary language of spirituality now. I think that if you look at ancient texts from two thousand, or five thousand years ago, the masters, or spiritual leaders at the time were speaking in the language that was accepted in Jerusalem, or in the far east, because that was the peoples level of understanding. So they used metaphors and allegories that people could relate too. I mean, if you’re “staying in my Father’s house and there’s many mansions”, well, the quantum model of that is the many worlds theory. In the quantum field, there are infinite potentials that exist simultaneously.

So I think that the quantum model of reality, and quantum physics, neuroscience, and biology are actually getting people closer, and de-mystifying the spiritual concepts, and that’s really my passion, which is to be mystified, because once you de-mystify it, everybody has access to it. It’s no longer just holy men, priests, nuns, or clergymen, but everyday people too. So I think science is really closing the gap in making spirituality more accessible.   

TIS: Sure, so do you have any thoughts on CERN and the work they’re doing there with the LHC (Large Hadron Collider)?

DJD: Well you know, there’s a point where we have to lay down our intellect. Quantum physics is really making an effort to understand the nature of reality, and the nature of reality isn’t just this universe as a machine with separate parts, that we have no influence over. Quantum physics says the subjective mind DOES have an effect on the objective world, not the objective world only influencing suggestive mind. So you start looking at some of the research, and all of these atom colliders or huge quantum accelerators, which is an effort to be able to gain another piece about this weird world of subatomic particle physics. But we have to lay that down at a certain point and begin to say, what does this mean to me? Well, our observation allows the electron to move from a wave of probabilities into a particle that our minds can collapse as energy into an event. So a lot of those research experiments are just to give us permission to do some amazing things, and we just have to lay down the formulas and the intellectual information because that can get us pretty lost when it comes to applying it to our lives.   

TIS: OK, sure. So I know you’re doing a Live Monthly Teleclass at www.drjoedispenza.com, and have a new CD out called The Art of Change, plus an upcoming book. Can you tell me a bit about all of this?

DJD: Sure, well the teleclass that we do once a month is for people who want to stay connected to my work. I do about a 20 minute talk, and then we open the lines up for Q&A. We have a pretty large community and the people there have been introduced to my work and are actually using it in their lives. So it’s a way for them to really interact, where we can develop ideas, and discuss anything from anxiety & depression to creating your own destiny to genetics and brain waves. A lot of the topics addressed are so people can begin to understand, in a unified way, what this all means. The teleclass has become popular because people can just dial in and we can spend 60-75 minutes together.

The new book is almost done and is called Breaking the Habit of Being Yourself: How to Lose Your Mind and Create a New One. It’s really about the “how to” of this work. The first half of the book talks about ideas ranging from quantum physics all the way down to genes and everything in between. The second half includes steps for people to apply and begin to practice them, to get the meditation down. So hopefully that should be completed and on the shelves soon.

The Art of Change CD is the first in a series of CD’s we’re doing which really is about what it takes to change or reinvent yourself, or what the quantum model of destiny really says. So again, it’s a series we’re doing that is really to inspire people and give them a way to apply all of this in their lives. 

TIS: That all sounds awesome! So in close, you’ve discussed What The Bleep!? a bit, and a question I often hear asked, and wonder myself is, will there ever be a sequel?

DJD: I really don’t know. I’m actually having dinner with Will Arntz, the film’s director tonight, and he’s just finished another film called Ghetto Physics, which is about the physics of pimps and whores, and is a bit of a deviation, but he’s in town and I’ll be having dinner with him tonight. I really don’t know if he’s interested in doing another. You know, we rode that wave for a year, and it was really quite a ride, but I think it’s inspired a lot of people to do a lot of similar documentaries, and a lot of good work has come out of it, so I don’t know. I mean, I’ll ask him. We’re all so busy with our own work, you know?

TIS: Yeah, I can only imagine. Please let him know “the people” are hoping and waiting. So he’s seriously doing that other documentary you just mentioned.

DJD: Oh yes, I’m very serious. It’s called Ghetto Physics. He’s going to show it to me tonight.

TIS: Well have fun with that! Is there anything in closing you’d like to add?

DJD: I’d just like to invite people to come to the Kripalu event if they’re interested because it’s a great opportunity for them to spend a weekend away from their familiar life and create an unknown, unfamiliar experience for themselves.

TIS: Great. Thanks so much for your time. Your work has meant a lot to me since I first became familiar with it in What the BLEEP!?

DJD: Thank you so much Chris, this was fun.

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Chris Grosso is a public speaker, writer, recovering addict, spiritual director, and author of Indie Spiritualist: A No Bullshit Exploration of Spirituality (Beyond Words/Simon & Schuster) and Everything Mind: What I've Learned About Hard Knocks, Spiritual Awakening and the Mind-Blowing Truth of it All (Sounds True). He writes for ORIGIN Magazine, Huffington Post, and Mantra Yoga + Health Magazine, and has spoken and performed at Wanderlust Festival, Yoga Journal Conference, Sedona World Wisdom Days, Kripalu, Celebrate Your Life and more. Chris is passionate about his work with people who are in the process of healing or struggling with addictions of all kinds. He speaks and leads groups in detoxes, yoga studios, rehabs, youth centers, 12-step meetings, hospitals, conferences, and festivals worldwide. He is a member of the advisory board for Drugs over Dinner.