Author Gary Renard On Love & Forgiveness, Mass Metaphysical Denial, And The Lost Message Of Jesus. Part II Of II

December 5, 2010 by Chris Grosso

In Part II of my interview with Gary, he talks about his ascended masters Arten and Pursah, what exactly the Holy Spirit is, Jesus as he truly was two thousand years ago, and his two upcoming books! Enjoy. 

The Gary Renard Interview- Part II.

TIS: So you mentioned Arten & Pursah, who are two ascended masters that provide you with the dialogue for your books. Can you talk about your relationship with them and who they are/were?

GR: Sure, I think that the best way for people to think about Arten & Pursah, which took me years to realize, but I finally came to understand that what Arten & Pursah really are, are manifestations of the Holy Spirit. They’re kind of like other things in the sense that this is a dream, and the Holy Spirit has to show up for us in some form in the dream. If the Holy Spirit didn’t show up in the dream, we’d never be able to hear “It”. So the Holy Spirit could take the form of a voice in your mind, which is the way that Helen Schucman (the scribe of A Course in Miracles), wrote down the Course, because she heard the voice in her mind and that’s one way the Holy Spirit can show up in the dream. The Holy Spirit will show up however is most appropriate for each person, as whatever they can accept and understand.
 For religious people, the Holy Spirit can show up in the dream as the Virgin Mary, and they’d say that’s the Virgin Mary, but what it really is, is it’s the Holy Spirit showing up in the dream as the Virgin Mary, because that’s something they can accept and understand. I’ve taught in Mexico a number of times and they’re really into Our Lady of Guadalupe, which is the Virgin Mary showing up in New Mexico City, and for them that’s Our Lady of Guadalupe, but what it really is, is the Holy Spirit showing up that way. For some people, the Holy Spirit can show up as an angel because that’s what they can accept and understand without fear. That however, is not really an angel, but a symbol of the Holy Spirit showing up in the dream as an angel.

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Chris Grosso is a public speaker, writer, recovering addict, spiritual director, and author of Indie Spiritualist: A No Bullshit Exploration of Spirituality (Beyond Words/Simon & Schuster) and Everything Mind: What I've Learned About Hard Knocks, Spiritual Awakening and the Mind-Blowing Truth of it All (Sounds True). He writes for ORIGIN Magazine, Huffington Post, and Mantra Yoga + Health Magazine, and has spoken and performed at Wanderlust Festival, Yoga Journal Conference, Sedona World Wisdom Days, Kripalu, Celebrate Your Life and more. Chris is passionate about his work with people who are in the process of healing or struggling with addictions of all kinds. He speaks and leads groups in detoxes, yoga studios, rehabs, youth centers, 12-step meetings, hospitals, conferences, and festivals worldwide. He is a member of the advisory board for Drugs over Dinner.